Who Needs An ADS or ADX?

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Post by robertisaar »

you seem to have done your homework. :P

5B4 is correct for that lumi van, and i'll be emailing you momentarily and sending it to mark as well to host it for anyone that needs it in the future.

as for the ABS, it looks as if the A174 and A197 stream for the delco ABS VI is actually identical with some terminology change, so i'll be sending that as well...

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Thanks Robert. I will look them over tonight when I get home from work.
Because of the ABS problem, I had been doing a lot of research attempting to locate a method by which I could read the ABS codes. It appears the only scanners capable of doing that are the Tech 1/2 and higher end devices ($2000 plus). TunerPro was the only place I found that even inferred the possibility of reading them. I am brand new at all this (still waiting on my cable to arrive in the mail) but do to my electronics background I grasped the process of how all this worked easily.

Thanks again for your help,

Dave

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no problem. depending on the vehicle, there are other computers that only higher-end stuff and tunerpro can read as well, like airbag, electronic climate controls, BCM, all kinds of neat stuff.

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Post by DaveB »

Robert,
Unless I misunderstand the Data Stream files, I have to add a command to disable the PCM [Mode 8] prior to communicating with the ABS module.
Issue a PCM Mode 8 [F4, 56, 08] then
Issue a ABS Mode 0 [F9, 57, 01, 00]

I added the PCM Mode 8 command to the A197 ads file.

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Post by 85'irocz »

Hey guys i just recently got the beta V5 and ive been using v4 for a long time with the datalogging ads files. i noticed the new one has the ADX filetype for ALDL logging. Could anyone tell me where to download a 6E '165 maf ADX file? I'd figure it would be very common, thanks a ton!

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DaveB wrote:Robert,
Unless I misunderstand the Data Stream files, I have to add a command to disable the PCM [Mode 8] prior to communicating with the ABS module.
Issue a PCM Mode 8 [F4, 56, 08] then
Issue a ABS Mode 0 [F9, 57, 01, 00]

I added the PCM Mode 8 command to the A197 ads file.

Dave
you don't always have to enable mode 8, but it is good practice, especially when dealing with chatty systems. i've never had to for communicating with anty ABS module i've dealt with though.

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85'irocz wrote:Hey guys i just recently got the beta V5 and ive been using v4 for a long time with the datalogging ads files. i noticed the new one has the ADX filetype for ALDL logging. Could anyone tell me where to download a 6E '165 maf ADX file? I'd figure it would be very common, thanks a ton!
V5 will actually allow you to import a V4 file and save an ADX based on it.

just go to the acquisition tab, and select import definition, find your current ADS, then it will ask where to save the ADX at.

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robertisaar wrote:
85'irocz wrote:Hey guys i just recently got the beta V5 and ive been using v4 for a long time with the datalogging ads files. i noticed the new one has the ADX filetype for ALDL logging. Could anyone tell me where to download a 6E '165 maf ADX file? I'd figure it would be very common, thanks a ton!
V5 will actually allow you to import a V4 file and save an ADX based on it.

just go to the acquisition tab, and select import definition, find your current ADS, then it will ask where to save the ADX at.
very cool! thanks!

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MAP (kPa) in $0D

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Hey Robert, would you be able to add MAP in kPa to the $0D.ads file on the Tunerpro.net website? It currently has MAP only in Volts, which doesn't help me.

I figure MAP in kPa wouldn't be too difficult because it is available in DataMaster-0D (ran out of free logs, only need a few extra).

Thanks!

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it wouldn't be too tough.... the conversion from volts to kPa with a 1BAR MAP is just X * .369 + 10.354....

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are you sure you meant 0D? the only one i see on the downloads page already has it in kPa, but not volts...

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robertisaar wrote:are you sure you meant 0D? the only one i see on the downloads page already has it in kPa, but not volts...
Yep, 0D. I downloaded it from here: http://www.tunerpro.net/download/datastreams/0D.ads

I do not see MAP kPa in there, only DC Volts. But I'm going to try adding the conversion you gave me and see if that works. Thanks for that info!

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maybe it's just me.... but the only item i see with "DC Volts" as it's label is battery voltage.....

at the bottom of the list there is "Transmission MAP", it has the correct conversion for kPa.

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hey Robert, any ideas on why I can't seem to get data out of this $1A adx file I am working on?

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<ADXCSENDCOMMAND id="COMMAND0" idhash="0xC579AD33" title="Mode 1 ALDL Dump Request Send">
    <bytestring size="0x5">F5570100B3</bytestring>
</ADXCSENDCOMMAND>

<ADXCLISTENPACKET id="COMMAND0RE" idhash="0xE6B79C55" title="Mode 1 ALDL Dump Request Reply" flags="0x00000005">
    <listentimeout>400</listentimeout>
    <packetbodylength>88</packetbodylength>
    <packetoffsetinbody>3</packetoffsetinbody>
    <packetsize>85</packetsize>
</ADXCLISTENPACKET>

<ADXMACRO id="COMMAND0MAC" idhash="0xD685487C" title="Mode 1 ALDL Dump Request Macro" repeatcount="1">
    <NODE commandID="COMMAND0" repeatcount="1" />
    <NODE commandID="COMMAND0RE" repeatcount="1" />
</ADXMACRO>

<ADXCSENDCOMMAND id="mode0" idhash="0x7E4A7814" title="MODE 0 &#40;RETURN TO NORMAL MODE&#41;">
    <bytestring size="0x4">F55600B5</bytestring>
</ADXCSENDCOMMAND>

<ADXCSENDCOMMAND id="COMMAND1" idhash="0xC579A373" title="Clear Trouble Codes Send">
    <bytestring size="0x4">F5560AAB</bytestring>
</ADXCSENDCOMMAND>

<ADXCLISTENPACKET id="COMMAND1RE" idhash="0xE68E9C55" title="Clear Trouble Codes Reply" flags="0x00000005">
    <listentimeout>400</listentimeout>
    <packetbodylength>3</packetbodylength>
    <packetoffsetinbody>0</packetoffsetinbody>
    <packetsize>3</packetsize>
</ADXCLISTENPACKET>

<ADXMACRO id="COMMAND1MAC" idhash="0xD1A5487C" title="Clear Trouble Codes Macro" repeatcount="1">
    <NODE commandID="COMMAND1" repeatcount="1" />
    <NODE commandID="COMMAND1RE" repeatcount="1" />
</ADXMACRO>

here is the relevant part of the ds file:

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        MODE 0 &#40;RETURN TO NORMAL MODE&#41;
                ALDL REQUEST&#58;
                - MESSAGE ID     = $F5
                - MESSAGE LENGTH = $56
                - MODE           = $00
                - SUM CHECK

                TCM RESPONSE&#58;
                  NONE

        MODE 1 &#40;TRANSMIT FIXED DATA STREAM&#41;
                ALDL REQUEST&#58;
                - MESSAGE ID     = $F5
                - MESSAGE LENGTH = $57
                - MODE           = $01
                - MESSAGE        = $00
                - SUM CHECK

                THE TCM WILL RESPOND WITH THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE&#58;
                - MESSAGE ID     = $F5
                - MESSAGE LENGTH = $AB
                - MODE           = $01
                - DATA BYTE 1
                  .
                  .
                - DATA BYTE 85
                - SUM CHECK


        MODE 10 &#40;CLEAR MALFUNCTION CODES&#41;
                ALDL REQUEST&#58;
                - MESSAGE ID     = $F5
                - MESSAGE LENGTH = $56
                - MODE           = $0A
                - CHECKSUM

                THE TCM WILL RESPOND WITH THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE&#58;
                - MESSAGE ID     = $F5
                - MESSAGE LENGTH = $56
                - MODE           = $0A
                - SUM CHECK
..PAGE
..HEAD02L ALDL DATA LIST
..HEAD03L NUMBER OF DATA WORDS - 85
..HEAD04L ALDL MODE 1 DATA LIST
I am not totally sure I got the checksums right I am just guessing on the values for them really. It says connected then it never gives any meaningful data.

Also are you willing to write xdf files for people? I can't find any complete tutorials on how to disassemble the bin files so I am probably going to give up and pay someone to write it for me.

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Re: Who Needs An ADS or ADX?

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robertisaar wrote:i've got time on my hands and have been slowly adding to the list on the site, but i don't know what people want/need.
Could use an ADS for the 1228747. There seems to be a 4f XDF file for that ECM on Moates site.

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Post by EagleMark »

Also don't see any for the 16144288 which is a 4.3L 1989 to 1992 I have here a AUMH

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don't suppose you could give an example of the exact vehicle those are intended for?

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robertisaar wrote:don't suppose you could give an example of the exact vehicle those are intended for?
The 1228747 is for
87 - 92 C/K Truck, Van, 5.7L & 7.4L (HD) From what I have read they came witout Knock Sensor or ESC.

The 16144288 is 91 - 92 4.3L S-10 & C/K Truck and on another site lists 16143900 as the same ECM... HTH!

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mmm.... can you get more specific?

it would seem the A58 and A106 could apply for the 8747. based on the (HD) i would assume the A106, but i can't be certain.

the other could be A33, A58, A104, A107 or A138 depending on exact application.

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Post by EagleMark »

I can get as specific as you need, but not sure what information you are looking for?

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what are the exact year, platform, engine and transmission of the vehicle you want to deal with?

GM set up their document to determine which datastream applied oddly, which is why i ask.

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Please excuse my lack of knowledge here. I thought once you had a XDF or ADS it was for that ECM.

I pulled the 1228747 from a truck with 7.4L manual trans It will be used for the same. From what I found on the internet
1228747

Application:1989-90 truck 5.7 V8 TBI “K” L05
1991-92 truck 5.7 V8 TBI “K” L05 w/o 4L80E
1990 truck 7.4 V8 TBI “N” L19
1991 truck 7.4 V8 TBI “N” L19 w/ MT

The other ECM 16144288 AUMH is a freinds that he wants to use on a 4.2L Jeep inline six but it came from a 1990 4.3L TBI V6 astro van.

Not sure if that answers your question...

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well, i'll use the 1227727 ECM as an example...

it was used for $55, $6D, $88, $8D, $A1 and even more masks, all of which need different XDF and ADS files.

generally, C3 ECMs only ran 1, maybe 2 masks, but once the P4s came around, GM reused them quite often.

basically, i need to figure out what mask you're dealing with, then finding out which datastream is correct is slightly easier.

"1990 4.3L TBI V6 astro van"

THAT is a great example. if i know what BIN you're going to base a tune off of, that helps as well.

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Post by EagleMark »

I think I'm catching on...

1990 4.3L TBI V6 astro van ECM 16144288 BCC AUMH, mask should be $A0

1989 7.4L TBI V8 Truck ECM 1228747 BCC AKWA mask should be $4F

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both defs are done, i'll be emailing them momentarily.

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Thank you sir! Once these projects are up and running I will give you feedback.

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Re: Who Needs An ADS or ADX?

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robertisaar wrote:i've got time on my hands and have been slowly adding to the list on the site, but i don't know what people want/need.
Help I need something for my 88 silverado k1500 5.7
Ive lost everything on my pc and need to start over.

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Hey, what about an ADX for $85...

The information I have found so far:

16147060
FWIW, the engine datastream is the A138 and the transmission datastream is A177 from what see. HTH
Taken from: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/diy-p ... -file.html

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hey everyone, sorry about the lack of updates:

http://www.tunerpro.net/gmOBDI.htm

that project has been taking up a lot of my time.

so basically, now i'm at the point of which streams should i deal with first, since i plan on getting all of them done eventually.

i really can't remember who's stuff i actually had sent/finished. :lol:

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Post by 90L98$8d »

Hi Robert

I have a 1990 L98 Corvette, TPI, 6sp man, 1227730 ARFP mask. I have tried the following:

ARFP.Bin
arfp8d.bin
8D.xdf
corvette_90b.adx
8D.adx
1227730_8D.adx
A115.adx

Do you have a different file I can try or a combination of files that will work?

Thank you
Pat

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IIRC, mark is working on getting the ~90 vette stuff working but has yet to find anyone local to test on, i guess there's some kind of goofiness that goes on with the digital dash that makes ALDL harvesting difficult?

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the $42 has been around a long time, wondering if there is any more in there to get like Injector Size, cylinder volume etc... I see these in maf chips and the 16197427.
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Glenn, it sounds like you're referring to the $42 XDF.

it's a bit OT, but i can elaborate on it a bit since it's came up before.

the $42 mask(and quite a few others as well) doesn't use an injector size scalar or a cylinder size scalar either... they are actually both combined into a single scalar/table, usually referred to as BPC/BPW vs EGR%.

couldn't tell you why GM did this, but you'll notice that as EGR% increases, the value decreases, this is due to the gases recirculated by the EGR valve(s) taking up space that combustible air would otherwise occupy, so less fuel is needed, this is how the ECM accounts for that.

so, knowing that smaller numbers deliver less fuel, you can now account for injector flow and engine displacement changes.

larger injectors need a smaller number.
more displacement needs a larger number.

ideally, get an engine tuned on stock injectors(idle fueling correct at least), then:

change your injectors and adjust the BPC/BPW table/scalar until the fueling is corrected again(without playing with the VE tables since VE should not have changed from injectors alone)

or

bore/stroke/drop in a different block with the original injectors and adjust the BPC/BPW until correct. if you go far enough you'll likely need larger injectors on a larger engine anyway, so you can probably skip this step if necessary and make intelligent decisions about VE and BPC/BPW values.

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wow thanks for the time to share that! Big light went off in my head why that engine I tuned with EGR DELETE was so far off...
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With all scalars set so EGR will never come on (engine does not have one) is this table still used?

BPW Constant for EGR on
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it shouldn't; however, i believe the BPC value for EGR off is in the same format, in which case, just make them all match the EGR off value.

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That's why I am confused, there is none? The only other option in tables in the $42 is BPW Constant Multipkier VS Barometric.

Now in Scalars there is a BPW Constant for EGR Off. This is a single setting, no adjustments. So I guess this is the major setting before playing with VE?
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yep, that's the one.

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Thanks, you the man! This is the first time I have used a 7747 in a conversion that needed more than a little tweak...

Sorry for hijack...

Who needs a ads or adx....
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Robert,

Sent you an e-mail request.

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$DA3

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Robert,
A while ago you sent me an ADX for $DA3. When you get a chance can you eyeball it and let me know if the equation that calculates the value for Left and Right BPW is correct?
I have looked around for a hack document for this datastream but so far I have come up empty.

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what is the current equation?

off the top of my head, it should be "X*0.0152587890625"

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It is:

X * 0.030518 + 0.000000

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so it's double of what it should be...

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What amazes me is that this:
"X*0.0152587890625"

Came "off the top of my head"...lol thats a lot of decimal places to remember.

Thanks. I will try that on my way home. No wonder that handy instant mpg equation you gave me in the other post was giving me such low numbers.

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it's because every BPW conversion should use the same value, which is 1,000/65,536

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robertisaar wrote:TP V4 has trouble communicating with EE cars due to the 5(IIRC) datastreams the PCM pushes out.

fixed in V5...
i have a 94 z28 lt1 auto
do i need tp v5?
what do i need to get going. i have v4.14
and i geuss i need the $ee def file and stock bin? sorry im new and the more i read the more im not sure.
so if version 5 is out i geuss i need that and any help you can give me would be awesome thanks in advance.
i have a cable from aldl cables its a usb.
ok i got version 5 now and i think the $ee file but whats the note about 3rd party software to upload tune.

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tunerpro does not support, and may never support, uploading or downloading tunes from the flash PCMs.

i imagine that could be added in through a plug-in, but i'm the wrong person to ask about that. :oops:



for just datalogging, you only need the proper ADX for your application. since you have an auto car, there should be a defintion on the downloads page for you that should work.

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i cant get it to communicate with the pcm. i believe i have a early year 94 lt1 so i hear theres a $eeb file. i followed this how to http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthr ... ?p=6628473 but cant display any live data. im using windows 7 help im going nutts i just need to data stream and i figured out what i need to flash my pcm but i just cant get this to work with my car. ive loaded the correct xdf and the adx im not sure i think its the problem but its off your site. i can see the list of data but no numbers so no engine speed , theres no data, my cable shows as working fine.
robertisaar wrote:tunerpro does not support, and may never support, uploading or downloading tunes from the flash PCMs.

i imagine that could be added in through a plug-in, but i'm the wrong person to ask about that. :oops:



for just datalogging, you only need the proper ADX for your application. since you have an auto car, there should be a defintion on the downloads page for you that should work.

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i really need to find someone local to get these EE cars done right....

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